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[Ayla]

1 - players
NeeeK - hgn@Lighthammer.users.quakenet.org
Mikloff - mikloff@mikloff.users.quakenet.org

2 - replay
the replay ends before the end cause only the leaver got his lastreplay.
http://www.dotaparser.com/index.php/replay/view/151810/

3 - Story
The captains, decided together, that it would be fun to pick for other team, without anyone agreement
so we ended with shit picks, shit lanes (like PA/BB/naga on the same lane)

no one could farm, no one coupld play correctly, no one could achieve what is expected on XP
I know those guy are usually friendly, and good players, but they should face their act, and the losing captain, should lose ALL the points from his team, while the winning captain shouldn't win anyhting and share his points between his teamates.

[-22:22:34-] <@Sara[1337]> XP & GAINS after GID6052 (21:29CET): Win(XP+) n0^pr0.978(+20) ProHugoLeet.861(+20) Mikloff.1654(+20) svenny.933(+20) LustgasSOSTRONG.796(+20) <+<+<+20<-<-<- Lose(XP-) BeathoveN.976(-12) AylafuQ.910(-12) clarity|frox.1086(-12) NeeeK.1254(-12) Leavers: Wacholderzweig.796(-52) (Teams were 5122 vs 5122 xp)

[Cluue]

Agreed, was a really boring game.. both Mikloff And Neek fucked it up badly! I said even before the game started (after picks), that I wanted RMK :/ but they said it wasnt reasonable.. well, luckily i won the game but hey.. so boring game :/

[SilversunPickup]

They are right with the rule that doesn't exist. On the other hand people get surved when they pick crap as captains. I would laugh and play the game if they pick that way, but that's not the point. Captains can pick what they want, nevertheless they shouldn't fuck up games. There are players, who don't like stupid picks, since they want: Stun/CC/AoE/Push/Carry/Babysit and stuff.

The point is, people add in XP to have serious games. Some want them really serious, others don't care so much and want enjoy games with proper teamplay and a bit skill in it and then there are the funplayers. It is their right to get the serious games in first place, because dp.xp was made for that. The captains should have asked first if everyone agrees with that picking method and troubles would have been solved.
As some ingame players complain now, and you can even read it in the chatlog, this game wasn't the best thing to do.
Guess this will need more than just one admin and players comments to solve this.

[4gar.Ecthelion]

I was also in this game and it wasn't much fun...
Well, this game went kinda weird on...i was support-naga buying wards/chicken/crow and so on...it wasn't fun to play.


When im summing up what happened and to give my own opinion on that case:

Mikloff and Neek are friendly persons, skilled and active and in DP known guys...it's also a nice idea to think of a little "fresh air" in the pickupgames by picking reverse...

...but...

...they didn't ask the ppl in the game (probably cause they knew, reverse-pick wouldn't be accepted by all other players) and just went on picking...this they should have done (best before the game was full in irc)...


Now to the weight of this "idea":
It's not the nice way to do other things (like reverse-picking) than expected by the other players without saying anything before game starts / game gets full. Picking heroes are not a gameruining-thing, but in comparison to the skill both of them have and in comparison to the "gaming-level" the XP-channel stands for, it really was some kind of gameruining...
...anyway, the most matching rule they broke is game-ruining (up to 5d). But cause there's no rule directly against them, it needs to be discussed how long and wheather they shall get punished or not.
In my opinion they shouldn't be banned. They are guys which aren't mad and they also keep running games in xp. But they should also know, that Dotapickup isn't a sandbox, not the .euro channel nor the .xp channel...A ban would be a bit harsh, but both of them should be warned to stop this kind of "failgames" - especially without giving other ppl the chance to avoid those games...normally "surveillance" is the matching word for this situation. But 1st: im not Judge about ban/surv./deny  and 2nd: I think Neek and Mikloff know what they may have to learn out of this case.

So let the Admins decide. Me personally jugdes: surveillance for the next games/days to not repeat this shit again.

Last word to the admins: Maybe u can give the rules a little overhaul the next days to prevent those cases and to change some old rules (like the hosting-rules)




€dit:

- On the other hand people get surved when they pick crap as captains.
- The point is, people add in XP to have serious games. (...) It is their right to get the serious games in first place, because dp.xp was made for that.
- The captains should have asked first if everyone agrees with that picking method and troubles would have been solved.

+1

Also forgot to mention, that it was nearly equally riddiculous to winrequest this game...but it's all players right to winrequest games. Unluckily the losing team gets also punished partly this way cause of the captains "picks".

[NeeeeK]

well it was a one time thing (tho no one liked it to do something different one time).

and well, its the same as normal pickings, same chances etc.
i just got plain stupied outpicked, thats all.
(even tho it was doable without the mass feedings :D)

u got the same chances with that reverse picking as with the normal picking.

theres nothing stupid about or anything.

and yes we wont do it ever again (that was the firstime within like over 1k xp games, WOHOOO, sry for trying to spice things a bit up. im RLY sry for that attempt, since everyone can just cry about that shit. sry)

[Baltaz]

It shouldn't really be any reason to ban them, as they only did it for the fun of it and I'm sure most people would find it funny as in xp it's always the same heroes thats played. So for once something new happens and a guy instantly wonna ban them. And still it wasn't like they were planning on losing on purpose, but really just to have fun!!

[Svenny]

Was in the game aswell and did not mind the way they picked since it's still equal chances for both teams. Tho they should have asked people first if they agree with the method so we could have avoided things like this happening after the game :| Anyway, think it was a nice breath of fresh air and would actually like to play more games with reverse picking ^^ And since there are no clear rules about this I vote for no punishment this time!

[tass)FURY]

Lolz i find it really funny. Would play that game with pleasure. Vote no ban etc.

[kissbloja]

I was also in this game, and I will elaborate this post later. But I think the biggest problem in this game was that you got 'out picked', and that is why you found it so boring.  That happens in normal games aswell. Or maybe you didn't try to play at all? By the aftergamechat it looked like you had given up before picks were done. If that's the case, I see that as more game destroying and thereby bannable then the picks.

Really, since both players picked for the other one I don't think picks destroyed the game at all! Both team got same chance.

First five sec i was also like wtf, but then I'd thought about it. Yea, maybe it wasn't fair to people wanting to play the same game that is played all the time. But this picking gave us other heroes, and another setup then normal. I found this refreshing.

[NeeeeK]

They are right with the rule that doesn't exist. On the other hand people get surved when they pick crap as captains. I would laugh and play the game if they pick that way, but that's not the point. Captains can pick what they want, nevertheless they shouldn't fuck up games. There are players, who don't like stupid picks, since they want: Stun/CC/AoE/Push/Carry/Babysit and stuff.

The point is, people add in XP to have serious games. Some want them really serious, others don't care so much and want enjoy games with proper teamplay and a bit skill in it and then there are the funplayers. It is their right to get the serious games in first place, because dp.xp was made for that. The captains should have asked first if everyone agrees with that picking method and troubles would have been solved.
As some ingame players complain now, and you can even read it in the chatlog, this game wasn't the best thing to do.
Guess this will need more than just one admin and players comments to solve this.

first of all only lustgas rly complained in the start.
2nd serious games? ur not even playing xp at all. there are no "serious" games (or u dont know what serious games are ;>)
and u could still play serious, even with some other "picks". doesnt mean that u have to feed the whole game long and even admit that (i mean wtF?)

imo ayla should request himself for just giving up and dont care at all. :\
cz that is rly gamedstroying. the picks werent. cz as i alrdy said its the damn fucking same as normal picking. (from the chances etc vice) so what the hell?

[Cip]

You don't just change the pick phase after game is ready and ignore rest of players that added to a regular game. For "reverse" pick to work, must fall under category "All 10 players agree!". If a single one doesn't, you are not allowed to fuck it up. Go have fun on custom games or when all ur friends add.

Both banned 24h and game deleted.

Next time, if you want "fun" mode, announce BEFORE ppl add, before game is ready and only in challenges.