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[Ferzybear]

Quote from: Cip on Today at 06:37:56 am

You guys are a bunch of whiners. Nobody remembers how it was to play dota on bnet all day. And nobody complained back then. LC gives more then enough delay with a good host then anyone can wish for. If Garena gives 5ms faster time... and your brain and eye and hand can work better with those 5 frikin miliseconds (thats 0,5% out of a second!) then you are some godlike human or some godlike whiner.

Pryma's reply on this:

Yes, we remember, how it was to play on bnet, and we didn't complain because of the same reason you think di doesn't use LC: we didn't have any alternative, only bnet. LC can compete on delay with garena only and only if all players are from same country or have same provider or at least good routing between players, which happens rarelly. In most other cases, playing on LC, host has tremendous advantage over rest players. LC just kills games for countries like spain, greece, italy; its fancy when game has players from spain, germany with somewhat different providers, one swe, one dk and it usually ends up in n rehosts and following readd or autolose for some team just cuz 1 player cant play properly due to latency.
When it comes to playing heroes that are dodgers(puck akasha morf etc.) and u have to dodge skills with cancellable animation those extra ten or twenty ms (in almost all cases its not 5 as you say) are vital like hell in highskilled games and thats the reason all 100% competetive games, all cws/fws are played on garena.
Maphack? LoL. The games in xp that were played on ggc usually ends up with same ppl who been playing for long long time in same games and suspecting them using hacks is just not reasonable, noone is talking about ggc for euro games, noone is talking about ggc as mandatory platform, but same as in case with observers: if all 10 players ingame are willing to use ggc and face the tremendous threats of revealing ours ips on platform which hired hacker just because they want to play the game as they can at their best and not at level the platform allows/restricts them due to latency or routing, why not allow them to?

Since the other thread was closed without any proper answer to this question at all I'll ask again, why, in god's name, wouldn't you allow 10 added players to play on Garena if they all agree on it? When it's totally clear that GGC works out a hundred times better and it's the platform used for any proper competitive dota game.
Can you give me another answer besides "Because we have some fake pride about making LC even tho it can't compete with GGC at all"? It's soooo unfair and illogical to forbid such thing really, only because your pride doesn't allow u to act different, how mature does that make you admins look? (only the admins are against this)

[Morden]

Vouch.

[SteffenX]

garena delay is much better then lc, and its noticable ... so stop this polemic
also garena improves routing between nations that have problems on lc/bnet, like sweden germany

so vouch

[JourneysEnd]

I for one think hosting on ggc should be as optional as allowing observers watching a game, if 1 says no its no if 10 says yes it's ok. And I think the maphack thing will be more the noticable on players using it, just like the maphack on battlenet.

[Snut]

Garena is much better for the majority of the players and if all ten agree where is the problem? If someone will use hacks, which i dont think, they will be punished because noone will pick them in the future. I dont understand why we cant modify the rules and allow garena too?

Vouch

[NeeeeK]

I for one think hosting on ggc should be as optional as allowing observers watching a game, if 1 says no its no if 10 says yes it's ok. And I think the maphack thing will be more the noticable on players using it, just like the maphack on battlenet.

yep got the same POV.
so gotta vouch. why shouldn it be allowed to play on ggc if no one has anything against it?
and 90% of the ggc games played here where just cz of the spains.
else everyone played still via lc.
just let it be optional if all 10 players agree. easy as it is.

[Nebur]

i must agree lc reduces the delay very much, but i must also agree that on garena that delay is reduced waaaay more. Few are the cases that i can compare a host in lc and a garena host in terms of delay. Its like a average host on garena is same as a superb host on lc. Also countless people cant play on a certain host from a certain country on lc and then on garena its perfect host for them(i get this with some swe hosts for ex)

At least for me who lives in the west point of europe(portugal) and also the spains, we can bare play on a lc host but the delay we get is very big and anyoing, and also doesnt give us the edge we need to perform at our best, while garena does.

I know lc is the default platform on pickup but i think in xp games if all agree on garena at least we shud be alowed too, unless we wud have a better option.Also i think the maphack thing is the same for both platforms.As there are hacks so garena cant detect them same goes for bnet.

[pampera]

Vouch. Changes always take time and might give extra "headaches" to the admits, but they are necessary, specially when lots of people are asking for it and reasons against arent strong. 

[CrackAttack]

i thought we have hostbots? so garena fail?!!!!

[Cip]

WOW! You just can't take a frikin NO as an answer!

NO GARENA ON PICKUP. How many times I must write it????? Until I start banning? Then you understand? There are OUR reasons that we don't allow garena. I don't care how "HUGE LOWER DELAY" (bullshit) is. Who said this is a vouch thing? Geez. Even if whole xp "vouches" you still don't get garena. So dear fearzybear (lol), stop pretending you have a clue on what you talk about and insult us with your supposition on my pride (lol) or other crap idiotic ideas you think you have just to prove a point I already know and I already said I don't care. I tell you again and again.. and again.. AND AGAIN: If you want garena please leave xp for garena channels or other leagues that use it. Then you will have best delay in the whole world! YEY! Have fun!

For the love of.. your account, stop opening new threads about this and especially after we close a discussion before on same mater. We don't usually close suggestions and other stuff.. and yesterday one should have give a you a tip!

[Cip]

Just a reminder for whiners with spiderman senses: http://www.nabla.org/wc3host.html