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[JourneysEnd]

I think most players agree on this, if captain + 3 players ff and one rockhead doesnt want to it should really still count as a legitimate FF. I know very many games where one player is just raging for himself and really doesnt want to FF meanwhile game is lost and people just want to move on to the next game.

Other peoples thoughts on this?

[CrackAttack]

maybe countin captains vote as 2?

[wizz]

And sometimes the "rockhead" is right and his  team nver really tried... And sometimes you win after you tried it a bit.

So no imho, don't change the ff rule. Everyone is free to want to go on.

[Roleplayer]

And sometimes the "rockhead" is right and his  team nver really tried... And sometimes you win after you tried it a bit.

So no imho, don't change the ff rule. Everyone is free to want to go on.

Been in this situation once. Captain + 3 ffed, i didn't. In 25 minutes we won the game. So i say "no", we don't need to change current rules.

[Kalb]

same.
to often it happens, that the game is stil won by the team.

[para1]

I think most players agree on this, if captain + 3 players ff and one rockhead doesnt want to it should really still count as a legitimate FF. I know very many games where one player is just raging for himself and really doesnt want to FF meanwhile game is lost and people just want to move on to the next game.

as some ppl already mentioned, and i have met such situation myself more than once: 4 ppl ff, still you manage to win.
plz dont change the rule.

[JourneysEnd]

So since you have won a game or more when not ffing you dont want to change the rule? Most of the times it really IS just a big time waste having one guy not doing the FF. Imo cap should count as 2 and if 3 others want aswell it should count.

+ Is it really okay for one guy when cap +3 others doesnt want to go on and "ruin" for them? I dont see the logic in this.

Given it some more thought I think this rule could apply to maybe just when you !CD/CM someone instead of random !add, might be more helpfull or atleast implemented there first or something to see how people would use it.

[para1]

the logic behind this is, as you could see, that nearly every answer contained "i have occured a 4ff, but still win" sutiation.
so the logic is that if nearly everybody has encountered that phenomenon, it cant be that rar to justify the rulechange you suggest.
easy as that.

[wizz]

Knowing that the primary goal is still to play games, + :

- On Xp we already have early FF rule
- People should be experienced enough to judge if game is game is lost or not
- the case you describe (1 guy refuses ff to piss the 4 other off ) should be at least as much rare as a win after a guy refuses to ff against rest of his team

I'd say just let a chance to the game, if someone feels like playing on is possible, let him as it's his right.
FF was already an improvement limited to special cases

[bloodsch]

ppl tend to overreact if its not working nice in the beginning and ff pretty early
still the other team can make some mistake and the game will change
imo these wins ofc are rly rare but they are the best which u remind for long time
keep it as it is

[JourneysEnd]

I myself have played several games where one rockhead has just totally refused to do FF even if its 8-50kills and its just taking shitloads of time to finish it and move on, but still some people do overreact but its usually 1-2 who does that and not 4 people who wants to ff.

Still I think this rule could be implemented when you only use !CD/CM instead of random add cause then i might see the problem for this to happen.

[Leo]

maybe countin captains vote as 2?

?!
4 vs 1 , or 5 vs 1 votes, in both cases majority is needed so it doesn't matter how many votes there are for "yes" as long the vote(s) are more than zero.

[CrackAttack]

y after readin this topic again i admit my idea is total crap1^^

[HaSu]

So since you have won a game or more when not ffing you dont want to change the rule? Most of the times it really IS just a big time waste having one guy not doing the FF. Imo cap should count as 2 and if 3 others want aswell it should count.

Actually you are right with the most cases (wasting time), but there were enough games where 4ff'd and still won due to the 5th who doesnt want to ff. Thatswhy don't change the rule. I had some of these games aswell and you know: "Never change a running system" 

[Stab]

i am kinda surprised noone brought this up...

have u ever thought about games not only being about winning? it happens alot that 4people of my team ff but i refuse for the simple reason, that i still have fun playing the game.

think about it, what would that change do.
it would prevent 4 people playing a game they think they cant win anymore, but it would also ruin a game for someone who still has fun playing....