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« on: June 17, 2009, 12:05:27 am »

Something needs to be done about how the bot assigns captains!

Earlier today (my third XP game ever) I just typed !add2 minding my own buisness & hoping for a good game. It takes a while, but the game goes up and then I suddenly see I've been assigned as captain. :S

I go like "wtf? I can't be captain I only have 2 games" "someone else be captain instead"

Now, I'm not a bad player. I waited for my 500 games and didn't make an early access request, both games I had previous to this one I had good stats and I won both. But that doesn't mean I'm good enough to play as a captain. Now, I've played CW's alot before comming to pickup (but mostly just with randoms) so teamplay isn't new to me but building lanes instead of combos when picking are new concepts to me and I still got alot to learn.

Over irc when people saw what i typed I just got a few "LoL".





After joining the game I ask 4 times for someone else to be captain!
Note: I realy asked 4 times if someone else could be captain since I had such a vague idea didn't of what to do/what to ban/what to pick. I mean, it's like 2 years since I played cm last.  smiley-channel_de_traurig005

First 3 time snoone answers, 4:th time someone says "np, we help you" and then the game starts.

Bans worked fine, but the nightmare began when picking. Everyone yells diferent heroes and I'm so confused. 1 hero is picked at random when time runs out and everyone wants diferent so we end up with like 4 carrys & lich.

Ofc I know those are crapy picks, but people just kept spamming, pausing and shit like that so i got confused. So for 20 mins before they accept an early ff I gota listen to the entire teams flame (especialy some dude named g0ogle or something like that). Constanly "wtf retarded captain" "omg how can you suck so much" etc. I try to explain that I didn't want to be capt and that these are the heroes they asked for, but people don't want to hear that.

Either how, there's more humiliation comming when the game is over.

First there's an additional of "omfg we had such a retarded capt" over irc for the next 10 mins. Then even more when the win request is upploaded and most of xp have a good lol at me. 

All and all, that was a very unpleasant experience.





Side note: I stress again (mostly so you don't put me under surveilance after reading this) that I'm not a bad player. I got 3/4 wins here so far and none has ever complained at me, called me aa noob, said I was a burden, late for fights, bad farm or anything like that (save for this game) and the worst stats I've had (exept for when we got spanked cause of my bad picks) are 7-7-16 with tide.


Now either how, the point of all this is. New xp players should not be forced to play capt. And not beeing able to play a good capt doesn't make you a burden to xp.




My suggestions are:

1)  You add as capt same way as you add for host like "!add2cpt" or something like that. Then
       however wants to can be capt. And if there are several the bot can choose betwen them the same way
       it does now. Just a smaler pool.

2)  Bot doesn't pick players below a certain game count. Preferebly it should ony count XP games there so it doesn't unfavour people that got early access.

3)  make readds available if you have noone capable/willing to play as capt. Preferebly only
      the one choosen as capt should be able to demand readd to limmit people asking for readd because of teams.


       What do ya'll think?
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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2009, 12:10:13 am »

The bot choose the player with highest rating to be the cap (afaik)...
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2009, 01:04:59 am »

What doesnt kill you makes you stronger. People shouldnt rage at captains about picks when he asks if someone else could pick for him. If they could do it so much better themselves, why didnt anyone do it? And everyone saying their opinions about heropicks is also just making all this worse. This channel is a step higher then euro so there will be more challenges here.

What i dont like is that they flame and laugh about your picks, should slap those idiots silly
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2009, 01:52:15 am »

Any chance this google dude was named g0ogl3? He lighttrolled me in a euro game to. Kinda same story u had. I get 3 heroes I can't play so I say this and ask if someone wants to swap. No one swaps. Then I pick sf and say again that I can't play him good and that I don't want solo mid but team agrees I should go solo mid. So afhter a while he starts going 'why did u pick sf when u can't play him?' 'Why did u want solo if u play if u can't play mid, u don't even have rune control'.

Nothing what he said would have fallen under the category flame. Seemed like someone who knew very good how far he could go being annoying without endangering himself.

Edit: sorry if this is a bit offtopic but I felt this could be interesting since it seems not to be a single 'accident'
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2009, 04:47:48 am »

You are captain because they have too low xp and should stfu. Everyone started at 1000. If by combining xp, activity, win ratio can't pass a new guy (with around 50 rank), then they should just shut up, listen and give him a chance.

Report bad attitude with replays and we take care of them.
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2009, 09:10:21 am »

Moreover if you are too "talkative" with your teammates... Honestly EVERYONE will have ideas about picks, you are the captain = YOU choose. You can listen a bit to them but no more than necessary.

You could add that people will take the fact that you don't feel too much confident being a captain and use it against you if the game doesn't go well. People need someone to blame even if the picks were ok and won't make a fucking different between being outpicked and being outplayed which is clearly not the same thing.
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2009, 10:51:06 am »

The system works pretty fine. I mean: okay so ur wernt a good captain ... but maybe ur teammates were even worse. Judging from what u have written, they didnt want to be captain - I guess they had their reasons.
If u want to avoid being captain, wait until at least two players add, that hav 1100xp or above. If u play here for a while, u will know who is a decent cap and who isnt.

Some months ago i was feeling pretty much the same. So i only added to games where i knew i wouldnt cap, at least until i got enough self-confidence ;>.
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2009, 11:13:24 am »

hehe, in month i am gonna have maybe the same problem about playin in cm-mode without havein played it much before^^.
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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2009, 01:35:24 pm »

@Laguna: I consider all my skills to be good/average. And I think I'll have a generally good xp, so my fear was that I'd be going to be capt alot when people with low xp (but that has more experience) add. And with a average xp and high activity I though I'd end up loosing a shitload in a few days and then risk exclusion (I'm not so sure about how xp win/loose calculations work yet).

But I think BaBaUTZ suggestion would work realy fine so that should be np I guess.

@Cip: Yeah, I should probably have done that but after that winscreen i just /quit Mirc to cool off (they where realy at it). I tend to allways quit Mirc when I'm mad. Helps me from reverting back to my old self.

@Icemage: Yeah, that's the one. Everytime he typed a phrase you could rest asured that atleast 95% of the words would be: "omg" "noob" "idiot" "retard" "lol" "..." etc.

I'm never ever adding with him again.
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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2009, 01:45:23 pm »

Give the replay, I'm curious to see who was trashtalking your picks :)
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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2009, 01:56:30 pm »

Give the replay, I'm curious to see who was trashtalking your picks :)

Didn't save it, sorry. And I've never turned auto save on. Didn't want to request him cause I was feeling kinda guilty. I just wanted it to be overwith. But his nick is g0ogl3 if you've had previous experiences with him.
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« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2009, 02:25:59 pm »

oh vindi im with u in my thoughts :D

in ~ 3 weeks i got the same prob as you
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« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2009, 07:12:00 pm »

@Icemage: Yeah, that's the one. Everytime he typed a phrase you could rest asured that atleast 95% of the words would be: "omg" "noob" "idiot" "retard" "lol" "..." etc.

Plz ppl ...file banrequests or open a surveillance thread in such cases. Some months ago every day I saw a new Thread in the surveillance sub-board. But today, nobody seems to care anymore. Xp gets worse, skill and manner whise. Dont be lazy, use the ways the admins provide us to prevent such guys from taking over .xp.
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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2009, 10:16:48 am »

i was actually in that game too.
i was captain of the other team, and i saw him saying : wtf i dont wanne be captain since i play my third game!

well, i know the reason: he played 2 games: 100% winration, except me, there were no other player having cm rank > 65 i think (mine is around 90)
i got all the players in my team having around 700 xp, and he got the ppl who didnt play many games (which causes them to have 900-1000 xp)
in fact those players are not better then ppl who played 100+ games and have 700-800 xp (they are more exprienced).
Well ur picks were srsly weird, when getting lich first etc. but ofc its because ur low experienced. It was easy win for us, i admit.

The System is not perfect, but i cant think of any improvement, since the xp should still be the skill level represantative.
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2009, 11:12:53 am »

1. the system works quite fine, it wont happen too often that you'll become the captain and experience comes with time anyway :p
2. dont panic about being removed something like that won't happen that quickly.
3. go0gl3 has a bad attitude, if he thinks someone is bad he will give that person a hard time.(and it doesnt even matter if he is right or not once he starts picking on someone he won't stop) so dont sweat it :)
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