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[Elare]

Hi there,
this morning i saw this in the xp channel:

[10:57:32] <Sara[1337]> Report for gameid 2058: These players are winners --> DaJeDa_DBN khaz whisk speediOFF koenig23 and this are leavers: kalerab in evidence http://i34.tinypic.com/2djayu.jpg (if this is incorrect re-request) - Players on channel can approve for autocalc with !xpvalid 2058 1

as you can see on the link http://i34.tinypic.com/2djayu.jpg the game ended at 16min and 2guys from sentinels left.
i wanted to ask if this shoulnd be a readd because the rule says

Playing a 3on5 game gives you the right to leave without any punishments

or is it allowed to request like here xp for it? I mean the Sentinels were punished because they lost xp what accualy was not their fault.

[Cip]

Indeed. I will look into who validated this crap of evidence and ban them.

Rules ARE CLEAR. 3vs5 readd! No xp.

[Cip]

speediOFF(speedi) whisk(whisk-hse) khaz(khaz)

Each banned 3 days for approving invalid game and not knowing xp rules.

[speedi]

We never played 5x3 i dropped @ 15min something and everyone in sent FFed after he dropped so why do we get banned..

[Cip]

Wrong evidence.

And we chatted already:

[164726] <speediOFF> i thought it was a clear pic
[164730] <speediOFF> never looked at it
[164733] <Cip[1337]> "u thought
[164734] <Cip[1337]> ?
[164734] <speediOFF> nobody actually cared
[164739] <speediOFF> dude dont be lame
[164740] <Cip[1337]> NEVER LOOKED AT IT
[164741] <speediOFF> i didnt know
[164743] <Cip[1337]> wow
[164745] <speediOFF> i jsut validated
[164746] <Cip[1337]> u actually validate
[164749] <Cip[1337]> without looking
[164752] <Cip[1337]> the worst thing u can do
[164753] <speediOFF> ya

[khaz]

I dont mind serving the ban but it wasn't a 3v5. That screenshot was taken poorly admittedly but the person who dropped was kalerab/sven in that pic. It was a 4v5 before sentinel decided to FF and the screenshot was taken after Eyeballz (blue) left. It wasn't a 3v5 thanks, so no idea why Elare is saying it was a 3v5.

Also, were you in the game Elare? If yes then why are you posting this? If not, atleast ask one of the people in the game before posting it here without the proper information. :|

[Elare]

Also, were you in the game Elare? If yes then why are you posting this? If not, atleast ask one of the people in the game before posting it here without the proper information. :|

you requested xp for it and i found it strange because how can you request xp for a 16min game? with 2 leavers?

[khaz]

......did you read my whole post?

Here, i'll paste it again, in bold. In fact, i'll add even more to it: I dont mind serving the ban but it wasn't a 3v5. That screenshot was taken poorly admittedly but the person who dropped was kalerab/sven in that pic. It was a 4v5 before sentinel decided to FF and the screenshot was taken after Eyeballz (blue) left (And he left after sentinerl FF). It wasn't a 3v5 thanks, so no idea why Elare is saying it was a 3v5.

[whisk-hse]

OKAY!
I wonder Elare, what kind of person you should be to do like that?

So, let me explain something. It WASN'T 3vs5! to begin with

kalerab left after 15 minute. So Sentinels all 4 typed "ff", cuz they followed the opportunity "you can ff at any time after 1 leaves"

i cant understand how you can post this if you even dont know what a situation was? mb ask ppl before write such lie like it was 3vs5?

you can ask any of those guys who played that game either sent or scourge and they'll tell you i am right.
So plz consider this Elare-.

And i wouldnt mind if ban will be off)

[voodoo112]

ISo plz consider this Elare-.

before bullshitting on forum... Sorry for interfering, whisk is a friend of mine so I couldnt just watch.

[Nikash]

Well... Validation was correct, evidence was wrong, that was the problem which led to misunderstanding. Still there is no point in rules which says how should look evidence of the game when players FFed. I guess admins should fix this in rule with string like "Correct evidence of the game with Forfeiting team must be screenshot with log where all 5 ppl(or less, if team got leavers) write FF in allchat"

[Quaki]

OKAY!
I wonder Elare, what kind of person you should be to do like that?

So, let me explain something. It WASN'T 3vs5! to begin with

kalerab left at around 15 minute. So Sentinels all 4 typed "ff", cuz they followed the rule "you can ff at any time after 1 leaves"

i cant understand how you can post this if you even dont know what a situation was? mb ask ppl before write such lie like it was 3vs5?

you can ask any of those guys who played that game either sent or scourge and they'll tell you i am right.
So plz consider this Elare-.

And i wouldnt mind if ban will be off)

Guess this is one big misunderstanding...
The screenshot looks like it was 3vs5 after blue left... but as khaz explained, sent ff'ed after 1left and screen was taken after blue left cause of that ff...

Elare just looked at the screens that are posted in the xp channel... maybe just for the inerest of what matchups have been played, what items have been bought and things like that... then he thought hey 5vs3 and you get xp after 16minutes of gaming... that cant be the purpose of xp channel and wanted to ask about it...so he made this thread, and he can't be blamed for his interest. He did not ask for bans or anything, so no bad intention in his post...

Cip saw: 3vs5 grml ban abuser...this i can fully understand cause he has a hole lot of work with this now very nice xp channel and wants to keep it clean... so he banned...

all in all a chain of missunderstandings.

Question i have: should there be a time limit of how long the game has to be so that you can request xp...there is nothing said about it in "how xp works", isn't it? but getting xp for a  game with ff after 15 minutes cause of a leaver can't be it but playing 4vs5 from 15th minute on is not satisfying either...

[whisk-hse]

fully agree, Nikash.
thought it would be okay with that screen, when i took it.

ofc i could screen log, if i knew i need it, but as it wasnt written anywhere....

[Cip]

THIS IS A BAN FOR VALIDATING WRONG EVIDENCE!

Stop blaming ELare for doing the right thing. I don't care how many were ingame or not. U validated crap evidence that shows NOTHING.

Stop cry and think before validate. Aka actually LOOK AT WHAT you VALIDATE OR GET BANNED

[whisk-hse]

Then plz make it obvious, what kind of evidence should be, if team forfeits!

and what are the criteria of good evidence?

"- Must provide an endgame screen or replay uploaded on dota-allstars for FF. This will work like a banrequest, means i will handle each game with commands i have in background.
- You can provide endgame screen or replay. ALL replays submitted can only be hosted on http://www.dota-allstars.com/replay_upload.php"


nvm, so we need to upload replay in case of early ff? or will screen of log, where all ff be enough?